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T.S.
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 15-01-2016 21:12
 

Photo: Leonard Siemaszko, NAC.

This picture (found at http://www.wceo.wp.mil.pl/plik/file/WYSTAWY/Wojna_1920_www%281%29.pdf ) is interesting – at least to me – as it shows an early infantry colour, before the colour pattern were regulated in 1919.
Very little seem to be known about the colours, which were carried during the 1919-1920 war, even if many or most later were to be sent to the Military Museum in Warsaw.

The photo shows J. Pilsudski with generals Jan Jacyna, Edward Rydz-Smigly, Stanislaw Szeptycki Kazimierz Sosnkowski and Stefan Dab-Biernacki reviewing the troops in the Cathedral Square, Vilnius .
The date can be fixed exactly to 21-22 April 1919, as Pilsudski personally arrived to Vilnius in the afternoon of 21 April, after the city had been re-taken by the Poles.

The only infantry regiments taking part in the re-taking of Vilnius were all from the elite 2. DP.Leg. (2nd Infantry Legion Divison, later renamed as 1st Infantry Legion Divison.) commanded by General Edward Rydz-Њmigіy.
The infantry units taking part were:
1 ppLeg (1st Legion Infantry Regiment.)
I,II/5 ppLeg (I and II Battalion of the 5th Legion Infantry Regiment.)
I/6 ppLeg (I Battalion of the 6th Legion Infantry Regiment.)



I only can find:
On 3 November 1922 the 1st Legion Infantry Regiment. was presented with a new regimental colour.
On 22 November 1922 the 6th Legion Infantry Regiment  was presented with a new regimental colour.
On 3 December 1920 the regimental colours of  the 5th Legion Infantry Regiment and the 6th Legion Infantry Regiment were both decorated with the Order of Virtuti Militari.

So all the regiments seem to have carried their own un-reglemented colours until they got their new, reglemented ones.

Personally I guess, the colour shown belongs to 1st Legion Infantry Regiment, as it was the only of the regiments taking part with all of its three battalions?
But how did it and the others look?
Were they perhaps old Legion colours?
Maybe some of the Polish readers can identify. to which regiment the shown colour belongs?
And perhaps also tell where to find more information and pictures of the un-reglemented colours carried 1919-1920?                 

T.S.
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From: Copenhagen
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 15-01-2016 21:15
 
From Poland I have received a kind answer on the colour in question.
The date of the photo given in http://www.wceo.wp.mil.pl/plik/file/WYSTAWY/Wojna_1920_www%281%29.pdf
is wrong.
The photo shows the colour of 85 Puіk Strzelcуw Wileсskich(85th Infantry Regiment from Wilno). This colour was presented by the citizens of Vilno to the regiment on 29. Sept. 1919.
On 19. April 1922 the colour was decorated with Virtuti Militari, the blue-black band which you can see on the photo. The decorating with Virtuti Militari was done in Wilno at Lukiski Square by Marshall J. Piіsudski.
So the correct regiment, date and place of the photo is: 58.pp. on 19. April 1922 – or later - in Vilno.



Cuprum
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 15-01-2016 22:01
 
Quote:
6pp. - 6 Puіk Piechoty Legionуw
I have the information on the 6th Infantry Regiment of Legions:



The composition of this regiment also entered Poznan volunteer battalion of death. I think this unit continued to use his banner.



Pilsudski are already apparently awarded the banner of the regiment of the sample in 1919:



T.S.
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 15-01-2016 22:14
 







The new colour presented to the regiment in 1923.                 

Николай
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 15-01-2016 22:15
 
Может, пригодится?



Знамя 1-й бригады Польского легиона / Banner of the 1st Brigade of the Polish Legion                 

T.S.
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From: Copenhagen
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 15-01-2016 23:43
 
Quote:
Может, пригодится?               

certainly it does.

T.S.
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 16-01-2016 00:05
 
I think, we have some mix up here between the early legion regiments and the later WLKP regiments, which got the surname Legionow as an honour title.
To my knowledge, the Battalion of Death, being a Poznan unit, had nothing to do with former or later Legion members, as the Battalion of Death was almost a penal unit, sent to the east front, where it disintegrated. Those, who had not deserted, were put into other regiments.

Cuprum
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 16-01-2016 00:20
 
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84ski_Ochotniczy_Batalion_%C5%9Amierci

T.S.
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From: Copenhagen
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 16-01-2016 01:11
 
Quote:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84ski_Ochotniczy_Batalion_%C5%9Amierci
I read it, as the battalion fought together with or under command of the 6pp, not as part of.
There has been no love between the units, the 6 pp, a hardcore Pilsudski regiment, and the battalion with men, whom Poznan wanted to get rid of. One general said that they should all have been shot, but as there was a war on, better to send them to the front.
I shall put up some text by Marek Rezler on the else little described unit.

T.S.
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 POLISH COLOURS AND FLAGS 1918-1921
Sent: 08-04-2016 01:32
 
not yet nplaced colours




















Berdyczowa 1920


85 pp from Wilno 1919



poznan



1 Pułk Strzelców Wielkopolskich, later 55pp - 55 Poznański Pułk Piechoty, parading its colour 26.1.1919




Batallion of Death













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