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T.S.
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 THE POLISH HORSE ARTILLERY 1918-1921, part 2
Sent: 15-12-2012 10:20
 
Personal weapons
In the first horse artillery units the men were armed very varied. In reports are only mentioned possession of infantry rifles, but with no mention of type. However, with the development of new horse artillery units, the Chief Artillery Inspectorate developed a basic plan for arming the men with personal weapons. They were to be armed with Mauser pistols with extended stocks, but the lack of sufficient quantities of these weapons meant that the order could not be executed. Therefore the General Artillery Inspectorate issued as recommendation, all artillery units were to be issued rifles with bayonets. Only officers and non-commissioned officers were to have sabres and revolvers.
By order of 31 July 1919, the Artillery Department in the Ministry of Military Affairs announced soldiers serving in the horse artillery to be armed with French Lebel carbines. These should replace the former personal weapons. This project was never realized due to the very small inventory of such rifles. In many batteries were used French infantry carbines as personal weapons.
On September 30, 1919, the Artillery Department of the War Ministry ordered the cavalry and horse artillery to be issued with the 8 mm Mannlicher M. 95 with a 5 rounds magazine. Conversion is supposed to be implemented by the individual General Districts. This change was handled in the horse artillery, as a temporary issue, until they would receive the "correct" small arms. This "temporary" re-fitting lasted until September 1939.
Entering a new type of carbine for the horse artillery continued throughout 1920, but encountered a number of difficulties, as for example in September when 2 Battery 5 DAK was supplied with only 21 rifles of the new type. Larger batches of the weapons appeared at the end of the year, as can be seen in the battery situation reports and included in their lists detailing number and types of weapons. But as most batteries were staying at the front of, re-fitting them with new weapons was delayed.
Officers and NCOs carried revolvers, pistols and swords. The handguns were also part of the equipment with a number of non-commissioned officers and military personnel performing a variety of functions, such as deputy platoon commanders of platoons, gunners and officials.
Personal weapons for the men of the horse artillery gave rise to many disputes among the military of the period. These weapons were not and could not be the same. Some soldiers had supporting roles, other were
part of telephone units or reconnaissance patrols , and others with wagon train and horse care. Gunners, scouts and telephone patrols had a carbine with bayonet and sabre, all the mounted had carbine with bayonet, train soldiers and officials carbine with bayonet.
Critical remarks concerned primarily the mounted and the gunners. The use of the mounted in any regular fight (riding or walking) was considered to be highly unlikely. However, in the immediate area of the defence emplacements in the event of an attack from enemy cavalry, while resting or on the march, it was possible to use them for combat. But their action was very difficult - they were on horseback, and both hands were busy keeping the horses reins and whip.
Thus, the use in this situation rifle (firing and reloading the rifle with one hand, while leaving the whip on the wrist), it was very difficult and required a training of which in peacetime was not done. It was therefore concluded that a long-range rifle for the mounted would be completely useless. Having a sword by the mounted also was considered unnecessary. Efficient handling of it, and at the same time carefully keeping horses was not feasible. Therefore, some already in the war. Polish- Bolshevik wozili their sabres in the wagons tabor, or they "lose." Still horsemen training program much attention focused on learning the horsemen a sword wielding, along with cavalrymen, despite the fact that no such weapons were given to arm the horsemen.

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 THE POLISH HORSE ARTILLERY 1918-1921, part 2
Sent: 15-11-2015 07:21
 

Horse Artillery from I. Polish Corps in Russia.


Original cap used by the Horse Artillery, I. Polish Corps in Russia.


Chinstrap on cap from I Polish Corps.


These fellows are maybe from the PSZ, also known as Polnische Wehrmacht, the forerunner of the WP Army.






All three above are from 1. Dywizjon Horse Artillery, early 1919 in the uniform of the former Polnische Wehrmacht M. 1917.


Lieutenant-Colonel Leon Dunin-Wolski, Commander of the 1. Dywizjon Horse Artillery, 1919


Uniform of a Lieutenant-Colonel.


Uniform of a Lieutenant-Colonel.


Scholl for weapon-mechanics in Crakow 1919.


Horse Artllery 1920.


Pinsk 1920.




1918-1920.






A little doubtful.


A little doubtful.


From contemporary film on You Tube.


Polish and French officers.


Horse Artillery officers.




The German 7,7cmm FK 1896 (renamed in Poland as the field gun 77mm M 1896) was used by the I and II platoon in the 1. battery of the !. Horse Artillery Diwision, Here seen either ias part of the 1. DPLo n the Lithau-Bialorus front or in the Battle of Warsaw, information differs.

Horse Artillery officer in leather jacket 1920, note the special horse artillery cap, which seems to have been in fashion then.




Horse Artillery in the twenties with a gun nick-named the "Prawosławna", in English “The Orthodox”.


On 3 August 1921 Pilsudski decorating members of the cavalry and horse artillery with the Virtuti Militari at Góry Kalwari on the anniversary of the Battle of Warsaw (August 1920).


On 3 August 1921 Pilsudski decorating members of the cavalry and horse artillery with the Virtuti Militari at Góry Kalwari on the anniversary of the Battle of Warsaw (August 1920).

No date, but the sheep-skin jackets here seem very field-related.



Cuprum
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 THE POLISH HORSE ARTILLERY 1918-1921, part 2
Sent: 15-11-2015 19:10
 
You do not have a complete list of Polish artillery units with distribution over divisions?

T.S.
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 THE POLISH HORSE ARTILLERY 1918-1921, part 2
Sent: 15-11-2015 20:16
 
Cuprum,
In the beginning it is very chaotic, the batteries just sent the fronts, as soon as the were formed.
Later it gets more organized.
I will look, if I have something on the subject, but a starter could be to look at
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artyleria_II_RP
and from there follow the links to the different diwizions and batteries, which are listed on the internet.
The Polish Army of the II Republic is rather well describes on the internet down into the single units.
A good place to start is on
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojsko_Polskie_%28II_RP%29
and then follow the looks given at the bottom of the page.
I will later go into the organization, but first I will finish putting pictures up for what has already been put on this site

Cuprum
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 THE POLISH HORSE ARTILLERY 1918-1921, part 2
Sent: 15-11-2015 20:26
 
Thank you.

T.S.
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 THE POLISH HORSE ARTILLERY 1918-1921, part 2
Sent: 16-11-2015 06:34
 
Cuprum,
As far as I can see, the answer to your qustion can be found on
http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=12&tid=324

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